Funny thing, this fucking day and age of scrutinized everything. Certain things needed to be scrutinized, but as usual the human animal takes it all to extreme and practices the same as slut-shaming on anyone who doesn’t agree with the pop-speak of the day. Jonah Hill uses the word ‘Faggot’ in the heat of the moment because he was brought up in a day when high schoolers used the expressions, ‘That’s so gay,’ or they called people ‘Faggot’ as a pejorative. We enlightened folk now know that these things are wrong and that the terms marginalize a vast majority of our population that have struggled through the years to overcome the mostly religious-based discriminatory policies of the times. The LGBT people of our world are normal people and have been persecuted for eons and I, for one, am glad that people are getting smarter.
My daughter’s generation has also grown up with the ‘That’s so gay,’ term and I can’t remember how many times that I heard it from so many people in her high school circle in 2010. I chastised her so many times and reminded her that her uncle was gay in order to purge this prejudice from her general repertoire. She eventually listened and now reminds others of their insensitivity when using pejorative terms. I am extremely proud of this. On to the reason for this post.
I read recently that Dr. Richard Carrier, whom I had had incredible respect for, had recently left his wife. I have had a divorce myself and was not overly skeptical of the matter in Carrier’s situation until I read in many articles, including those that included quotes from Carrier himself, that stated that his divorce was due to his “Coming out,” as polyamorous. I say that he came out as ‘I can’t help what I stick my cock into and I’m trying to classify it into the same category as a legitimate sexual orientation,’ situation. Call me intolerant of the fucked up PC bullshit of our time, but if I can’t keep my cock in my pants, I sure as Hell wouldn’t marry someone who would pay for all of my degrees while I don’t fucking hold a goddammed job! This asshole has gotten EVERYTHING off of the back of his wife and then dumped her when he got Atheist famous!
Am I the only fucking atheist who thinks that this asshole gives us a bad name due to the fact that he demonstrates the atheist amoral bastard who can’t have morals due to a lack of sky fairy? This asshole stinks and I would never have him at MY dinner table because he would most likely flirt with my 21 year old daughter. We, as atheists, need to hold our own accountable for their choices, and I mean the popular folks that we have speak at our events. It’s not just about beliefs, it’s about an entire movement built on getting myth out of our lifestyles once and for all! Carrier made the mistake of trying to meld his reprehensible lifestyle with the movement that made him famous. He also used another human being in order to achieve his goals, which is very prevalent in the area of religion, and if we are to demonstrate our ability to go beyond the idiocy of sky fairy, we need to use common sense and NOT fall into the common traps of the religious community! They are having a field day on this Carrier thing right now, just read they’re fucking blogs as I do!
This so-called news is really hot stuff, because Richard Carrier looks like the jerk of the fucking century! He should have kept his personal shit to himself AND he should have waited until all logic and sense died with my generation due to the fact that we still remember that Hitler was the architect of the movement called, ‘PC.’ Maybe in the future, people who are completely vapid and follow the leader will digest this POLY shit and accept it as some sort of fucked up norm, but until then, sense will prevail and Carrier will be looked upon as a narcissistic opportunist who believes that he is way smarter than the legitimate people in his midst.
I caution my atheist brethren on associating with someone as reckless as this and will continue to exercise skepticism and individuality in this particular matter. POLY is nothing more than naming the want to fuck multiple people. There is nothing wrong with fucking, just don’t fucking use someone else who is goddamned stupid enough to believe in you to reach your goals. I don’t care if you fucking fuck a gerbil before you go to sleep tonight, but don’t involve MY movement in your personal dealings and try to fabricate excuses. Fuck you POLY assholes and your PC verbiage to describe fucking around! You want to fuck around, PERIOD! Label it honestly, don’t fucking be a total amoral piece of shit about it, and leave atheism out of your personal shit, you narcissistic motherfucking, self-important assholes!
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I’m an atheist, a bisexual, and I’m also polyamory. Please do not belittle or demean this significant and beautiful part of my identity just because you do not understand it. Poly people are just as misunderstood as many people in the LGBTQ community, and demonizing us does not help anything; it just makes people hate and misunderstand us even more. Please try to understand us before you pretend we do not exist or that who we are is somehow bad.
I’ve been belittled and put down by Christians for being a bisexual and an atheist; I lost Christian friends for supporting marriage equality and a woman’s right to make her own choices. It’s very discouraging to now also be put down by a fellow atheist over another part of my personal identity.
Is there no part of me that people will not judge and ridicule? Why can’t people try to understand others before they judge and put us down? You sound just like the Christians that belittled me for being an atheist.
If I just want to fuck around, that’s not polyamory. That’s an open relationship or swinging. Poly isn’t about cheating or just sex. I’m polyamory because I’m capable of being in love with more than one person at the same time. There is a huge, HUGE difference. Please check out the resource below to understand us better.
http://www.polyamorysociety.org/page6.html
I actually do not demonize anyone. I just think that ANYONE can ride LGBT coattails regarding what they like to do in the sack. I only object to the ‘Poly’ movement trying to be established as a terrorized group like the LGBT people, which I think of as terribly different from your movement. Do what you will, there are no consequences. Be free and don’t be judged, but I think that you are who you are no matter what. I won’t see you as I see the LGBT community because you are not. You are not a genetic predisposition to either sex or needing reassignment, you are what you want to be and you can classify yourselves any way that you want. I, and so many others, will not see you the way that you want to be seen. You aren’t a marginalized group, you are people that don’t believe in monogamy. Big fucking deal, I don’t either. Sorry if I seemed like I was putting you down. I actually wanted to just say that you can marry or have relationships with as many people that you want, but you are not a demographic or a marginalized group. You can reference swingers as much as you want, but you are more like swingers than you know. I am cool with whoever wants to fuck whoever, and I don’t care how many people that you love, I just think that if I fuck gerbils I sure as Hell don’t deserve a marginalized demographic! I am a friend to you or whoever. I could care less about your sexual conquests or your mates, I just don’t buy the Poly label as LGBT.
Poly people are not allowed to marry all of their partners, they are forced to choose. Sometimes there are major problems with adopting children and legal parenting options because our society and legal system do not support poly relationships and parenting. Poly people are extremely stigmatized; I haven’t even told many people about it yet because I know most of them will freak out or just not understand and accuse me of just wanting lots of sex (as you said in your article).
How exactly are we not marginalized? To be honest I don’t see how it’s that different from the LGBTQ community; we are also judged and denied equality because of who we fall in love with. I can’t help being attracted to multiple genders, and I also can’t help it if I fall in love with more than one person. It’s how I, personally, am wired. And yet I feel less comfortable being open about polyamory than I am about being bisexual.
I’ve had to “come out” as an atheist, as a bisexual… I haven’t yet some out as poly, but it’s probably the one people will be least understanding of.
It’s easy to say we’re not marginalized when you don’t walk in our shoes… please understand that we deal with many of the same struggles as the LGBTQ community. You just don’t see us as much because we’re in the background more right now. But I’m in both groups, and I can tell you that it’s not that different when you’re on this side of things.
Also, I don’t think anyone should be marginalized because of who or how many that they wish to marry. It’s personal and shouldn’t be regulated by the Government
I’m not saying polyamory should be added to the LGBTQ category. I’m just saying that we’re not that different, and that we also deal with a lack of equality and social stigma about who we are and about our relationships just like the LGBTQ community does. I’m regularly judged for being attracted to both men and women; it doesn’t feel that different to also be judged for loving two people instead of one. It hurts just the same.
Except marriage equality, as it’s being fought for now, still won’t allow me to marry both partners. So while LGBTQ people will soon be allowed to get married in any state, NO poly people can currently legally marry both partners. That’s because poly activism has barely begun… the US isn’t quite ready for us having equality yet. We have to wait until the LGBTQ community gain more ground and acceptance before we even have a chance to be accepted and have equality too.
There should be NO stigma, I agree, but I would not be opposed to supporting marriage equality for anyone. I just don’t understand the position at all. I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against and if people wanted to marry whoever then let it be as long as all are agreeable. I apologize, I shouldn’t blog while drinking beer, but I, as a person who is in one relationship, cannot see the draw of being in love with more than one person. Also, the only objection that I have with polygamy is the assumed right by men that they are the only ones that should get multiple partners! I don’t care about multiple marriages as long as both sexes get to practice! That asshole from Sister Wives said one time that it “Turned my stomach,” when the show people asked one time what he would think about his wives having multiple husbands! WTF mate? It’s OK for him to have several wives but fuck them falling in love with other people? Let people marry who they want and keep false morals out of it. I guess if it works for you then me keeping my mouth shut is probably the best way to prevent controversy. I want to level the field and make marriage accessible to all who want it. Fuck all of these restrictions!
I will be your major resource to acceptance and equality, just because I think that marriage equality extends to whoever wants to get married!! Lillyblack, kick some fucking ass!!
And thank you, I love kicking ass and intend to never stop!! 🙂 I hope one day that we can have full gender equality and that marriage will be available to all consenting adults who want it, and I won’t stop fighting until we do. 🙂
Again, being poly is not the same as wanting lots of sex. Many poly partners are in committed relationships just like monogamous couples, except there are three people involved instead of two. There are many forms of poly relationships, so saying we “just want lots of sex” is just as ignorant as people telling me that because I’m bisexual I’m greedy for liking both men and women or I “must want threesomes!” Same kind of misunderstanding. Some poly people love lots of sex, others don’t. It’s no different than any other group.
I guess that I can sum up this argument as just, “I don’t understand.” I didn’t mean to come on so strong, but I just don’t get it and I think that the best thing that I can do is say that everyone should have rights to practice relationships the way that they want. You are a true skeptic as well, examining the GMO argument from the actual science end of the spectrum. You, Lilly Black, are the type of atheist that inspires me, but if that really is your picture on gravatar then I have to say that I know why anyone would think that you are absolutely beautiful.
I am a hypocrite in that I see your image and change my view of you choice in life. Fuck all and their judgements, fuck them and their worldviews, they can expand their thought processes and stop fucking judging you. Keep fighting Lillyblack and don’t accept their bullshit! Congrats on solving the puzzle of relationships. I am a shortsale on this matter. Please consider me a shopper in the aisle of relations, and apprise me of the accepted versions of relationships because monogamy sure as Hell has been a failure in all scopes!
You’re not a hypocrite, this issue has just become real to you because you’ve now met someone who’s living it. 🙂 that’s how I first began starting to support gay rights when I was first religious- my best friend came out and I realized that my attitudes were actually hurting real people, she changed all my perspectives. I certainly haven’t solved the puzzle of relationships… But I’ve learned who I truly am and what I want, and I’m not afraid of it anymore, so it gives me a good foundation 🙂
My picture is a stock image for online anonymity (I love the mystical quality of this photo), but I’ve thought about using my own. Originally my blog was a secret when I was deconverting but it’s not a secret anymore now.